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Pit Bull Attacks – Hype, Hysteria, and Hatred

By on July 9, 2008

Today, I want to share some information with you that I pray will help open your eyes and every person who has a purebred American Pit Bull Terrier or Pit Bull type dog to the extreme danger we face as fanciers of these great dogs.

I have written about the HSUS and PETA and I have shared their view points with you and why they are hypocritical low life’s that are not even on the same level as my dogs poop. Much less on the same level as my dogs.

You may have already seen the following site but there are people out there that are lobbying to get our dogs taken from us based on hype, hysteria, and pure hatred. These people are 100% out to get your dogs banned and or taken away.

While millions of dogs are in the United States these people pick on our dogs based on old, outdated, “bite statistics” and they use them as if they are fact.

These dog bite and attack sites try to use the CDC study information. The CDC has said these reports are not accurate and they are in no way useful in determining what breed is more dangerous than the another.

Yet, people who hate our dogs and think banning them will stop dog bites still insist on sharing this knowledge with caring, but ignorant people, who are hoodwinked into believing these stats and lies.

As a proud, and responsible, Pit Bull owner I personally believe that these sites are one the lowest of the low in regards to using our dogs to create buzz for their cause.

Want to see how they exploit the stats? Want to see how they demonize our dogs and not stopping their they demonize us? Want to see how they are breed specific fear mongers who are filled with hatred?

Visit – http://www.dogsbite.org

While millions of dogs are out there and dog bites occur daily from a number of breeds (Labs, Dachshunds, Golden Retrieves, Border Collies, etc…) they choose to put the Pit Bull and pit bull type dogs up on the chopping block instead of addressing the real problem. Which is irresponsible dog owners and irresponsible parents.

Dog bites are a problem in our country, because people won’t use common sense in regards to their kids and dogs. Period. That is the bottom line. Pit Bulls or Pit Bull type dogs are not any more likely to bite than any other breed. Yet Collen Lynn, founder of dogsbite.org insist we need breed specific legislation to stop the “pit bull problem” and again, uses flat out false info to show how BSL is good.

Also, it say she was attacked for approximately 5 seconds by a leashed Pit Bull while jogging. Can you say biased, emotionally based hatred?

Until Next time,
Jason, Angel, Honey, and Patch
The Most Complete Pit Bull Information Site Online

About Jason Mann

Jason Mann is the founder of PitBullLovers.com and retired professional dog trainer. He retired from Dog training in 2013 so he could devote more attention to PitBulllovers.com and helping Pit Bull owners around the world learn how to live a more peaceful life with their dogs as well as educate the general public about the true nature of these incredible canines.

30 Comments

  1. TAM

    July 10, 2008 at 2:44 am

    Hey Jason, This is my first post on your blog. When I was 13 I worked at an animal shelter and I was introduced to a pit. Love at first sight you could say, out of all the dogs at the shelter he was my fave! His owner had left him there for boarding and never came back for him. We tried to adopt him out but no one wanted a pit I wanted to take him home but my mom didn’t want a pit. Unfortunately he was euthanized. Years later I am now 19 and I STILL think about this dog. For the last couple of weeks I have found out all I could about pits and BSL and that is how I found your blog. I have gone to DOGSBITE.org before & I was in tears. There just seemed to be so much hate, I sympathize with dog bites victims but it is the owners they should be criminalizing not the dogs. I fear that when people go to look for info on pits, this is the website they will find. When I debate with people over pits and BSL this is the website they are quoting. I know there are many good pro pit sites but BSL keeps coming and coming. Are there any websites that DIRECTLY address what dogbite.org says?

  2. Jason Mann

    July 10, 2008 at 11:28 am

    TAM,

    One site that offers up more factual data related to dog bites is
    http://dogbitesinformationandstatistics.blogspot.com

    Jason

  3. Ryan

    July 10, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Jason, that dogbite.org website is obviously the product of that lady’s fear and ignorance. There is absolutely NO reasonable logic to it. It is one of the most biased, hate filled, angry websites I’ve ever seen. Very demonizing and demoralizing towards us and our dogs. Unbelievable!

    Ryan and Harley (aka Sir Harles)
    Memphis

  4. Brian

    July 11, 2008 at 10:40 am

    Go to any Pro-pit Bull site and they are all filled with restrictions and warnings. One of the main points on almost all of them is NEVER trust your Pit Bull not to fight. The experts that love the Pit Bull will also tell you Never go to dog parks, NEVER have them off leash, NEVER around other dogs or kids without supervision and NEVER EVER roaming around the neighborhood. These sites also explain to the would be Pit owner to expect dog aggression in this breed. If you look up labs, there are no warnings, only description of a great, loving, easy to train family dog that gets along with man, women, child dog and cat, like many dogs.
    Fact, pit bulls were bred for Bull baiting and dog fighting. It’s not an accident or magic, its called animal husbandry and we have been doing it for centuries with dogs, horses, farm animals and lots of other domestic animals. Pit Bulls are what people made them, aggressive, strong dogs that like to fight. Breeding works, that’s why labs will commonly retrieve, pointers will point without training and Shepard’s will herd other animals. I am sick of the excuse “its not the breed its the owner”, that is nonsense! When you say that, it implies that all other dog owners are expert dog trainers because their dog doesn’t attack, WRONG! Most people do not train or discipline their dogs properly, the difference is with an untrained lab or golden for instance will likely jump up to greet and kiss everyone and a Pit Bull will fight dogs, be aggressive and possibly attack a person. Even with the proper attention these dogs cant be trusted, you always hear of the family Pit that turned on its owners kids out of nowhere. My local dog park is being terrorized by a Pit Bull. What I see in the news about Pit Bulls matches up perfectly with what I see in my area. Sorry but they should go after the breeders and make it illegal to breed them altogether, Pit Bulls have no place in normal society!

  5. Brian

    July 11, 2008 at 10:45 am

    At least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human homicides during the past 20 years. Pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than half of these deaths.

  6. Jason Mann

    July 11, 2008 at 11:50 am

    Brian,

    Want to know why we pro-pit bull site owners offer those suggestions? It is because we want them to not have to deal with people like you. Yes, Pit Bull Terriers were bred for fighting, and bull baiting. Yes, SOME of them can be dog aggressive towards other dogs. You should never have a dog off leash in public because well, it’s the law to have a leash. I would never leave ANY dog unsupervised with another dog or young child. It’s common sense.

    While breeding plays a large role in a dogs over all temperament, Pit Bull Terriers are bred to be people friendly to a fault. You are like the media that assumes dog aggression leads to people aggression. In FACT (as you like to point out) dog aggression and human aggression are not related. One does not lead to the other.

    You see what you want to see. You take information from a book, that is using data from the CDC that the CDC itself says is inaccurate and not to be used to prove one breed is more dangerous than any other.

    You’re ignorant rant is just that, an ignorant fear based rant based not in fact but in fear and hysteria. You are, in a sense, proven the title of this post is accurate.

    As a professional dog trainer I have dealt with more Labs that would bite you than Pit Bulls. By the way, I specialize in canine aggression and fear. So I see a lot of these cases. So far, not a single Pit Bull type dog has been in my behavior program for human aggression.

    Dog aggression? So what. A lot of dogs are dog aggressive. To expect dogs to live in happy land all the time is retarded.

    Jason Mann

  7. Brian

    July 11, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    As the experts say HA and DA are separete issues and one doesnt mean the other will be present or absent. Experts say kids that kill or torture animals are more likely to hurt a person, if thats true, then I dont believe that a dog that would slaughter another dog to death is not a danger to society. Come on!

    Again, from a Pro-pit bull site…..As with all breeds, the Pit Bull has positive and negative traits in their temperament. Their breed history has led to a dog unlike any other in the history of purebred dogs. What can you expect from an APBT? First and foremost, memorize the following: THE GOLDEN RULE OF PIT BULL OWNERSHIP- NEVER TRUST YOUR PIT BULL NOT TO FIGHT!!!!! This breed is descended from pit dogs one way or another, and, given the right circumstances, most Pit Bulls will fight and against any other breed, they will win (you really don’t want to see that!).

    My opinion comes partially from the news. I have a google alert set which tells me about dog attacks. I get a few Pit attack stories a day from around the world, never any other dogs in the news. Is there a conspiracy against pit bulls everywhere? Duh, of course not, they and their irresponsable owners are all over the place, causing lots of problems. On top of the news both the places I frequent with my dog have aggressive pit bulls hurting dogs and scaring people. One recently took a small dogs eye out, this isnt the jungle, these are our pets. Dogs are meant to live in our world, our world is filled with dogs of all sizes, cats, kids and adults. Why have a dog with such potential for danger and one you cant really go anywhere with. I take my dog everywhere, noone fears him, and he is happy as could be.

    Pit Owners are always saying those that want them banned need to learn more about the breed. I have read alot on this dog and seen them in action, THEY ARE A DANGER, period! Apparently these dogs need alot of training and attention in order to be controled, even then they cannot be trusted. In my experience most are not up to the task. So between the irresponsible owners and breeders out there and these dogs that were bred to kill and do so, Im done. Keep them far from me, my family and my dog!

  8. Brian

    July 11, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Here is a blog from a fellow pit owner

    A dog that was bred to fight is self-rewarded in a situation when his genes kick in and he crosses the threshold where bit inhibition is no longer an option. Where many dogs who bite do so severely, it rarely gets to the point of maiming and killing. Pit bulls, when driven, are turned on by the feeling of flesh between their teeth. That is what a dog bred to fight is supposed to do. That is also why it often results in more than “just a bite” and people or animals are seriously injured or killed.

    Dogs are a product of their genetics and their upbringing. When you have an irresponsible owner who has a breed with this potential for violence (like a pit bull)and that owner either encourages aggression or doesn’t properly train and socialize, then yes, he should be liable for any attacks on dogs or people. No different than if he had a loaded gun that went off because of his actions or neglect. The proliferation of pit bulls right now in rescue is staggering. This will only end when owning a big bad dog is no longer considered a part of a macho persona. Somehow we have to make it cool to own a happy-go-lucky, face licking, tail wagging canine…..of any breed.

    You say that Pits were bred to be people friendly to a fault. Why are they the number one dog related to dog on human homiced? Does that fault include mauling children? If your a dog trainer than you are blinded by your feelings for these dogs or your just plain blind!

  9. Brian

    July 11, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    sorry for the triple post but ….

    the only reson the stats are considered unreliable is bc mixed breeds have been left out of the study, bc it is hard to determine what a mutt truely is. It has no affect on the number of pure bred pit bull reports that have attacked, maimed or killed, that number is reliable. Out of 238 human homicides caused by dogs during the past 20 years. Pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than half of these deaths. You and I both know that many (prob most) of the mixed breeds involved in these reports are really Pit Bull Mixes, so this study is actually modest when it comes to pit bull attacks.

  10. Brian

    July 11, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    and by people like me do you mean people that go to public dog parks, mind their own business and play with my own dog and have to fear a pit bull may attack me or my dog. Out of nowhere my dog got attacked by an untrained menace of a Pit Bull at this park that has no business in a place where there are other dogs. My dog had no chance, he is not aggressive and was pinned to the ground. He was lucky to escape with only a small cut under his eye, not as lucky as a Lobso-Opso at the other place I go, the poor thing only has one eye now.

    Its not comman sense to not leave dogs together unsupervised, only aggressive dogs like the Pit Bull. My girlfriend has a little hotdog dog and we go out and leave my lab alone with it with no problems, in fact they love it! These serious rules and restrictions are only vital with Pit Bulls. Owning a Pit Bull is not unlike owning a lion or a tiger, except its illegal to own those animals. Its time for the Pit Bull to be illegal as well!

  11. TAM

    July 11, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Go Jason ! Go Jason ! people who are for BSL cannot call themselves dog lover. Anyone who willing votes for something that will cause many innocent animals and their loving owners to suffer unecessarily has a screw loose. People who live their lives in fear of being attacked by a pit but feel perfectly safe speeding in their cars or smoking their cigarettes are ignorant. How many people do these things kill yearly? These people are the ones that have no place in normal society.

  12. Jason Mann

    July 12, 2008 at 12:35 am

    Yet again, Brian you show your ignorance. To all that you have to say I say, “snore, wake me when he’s done with this pissing contest.”

    1. What you say really will never make a difference to me. I love my breed, I know the truth, and well, keep believing what you want.

    2. You make sweeping assumptions based only on loose “facts” and inaccurate data.

    3. You twist RESPONSIBLE suggestions to make them sound we are warning Pit Bull owners their dogs are dangerous and they should be careful.

    4. Again, you use your uneducated opinions to draw sweeping conclusions about how dangerous a dog is, how people are not up to the task of controlling their animals, and, blah, blah, blah…

    5. You use human behavior to relate to dog behavior. Silly. That’s like saying Sharks are like Lions. I mean, why not right? Doesn’t matter they are two completely different species, they are both dangerous and will attack for no reason right? Wait, Pit bulls have been compared to sharks! Oh God, Run! As you said, “Come on!”

    6. You frequent places that have pit bulls hurting dogs and scaring people, why not man up and report these irresponsible DOG owners to the proper authorities? Wait, that would take too long, instead run online and cry about it.

    7. My dogs are not potentially dangerous to anyone or anything. My two American Pit Bull Terriers have ran with upwards of 40 dogs at the dog daycare I hold training classes in. Wait, I guess I shouldn’t do that right? I mean they will eat all the dogs, kill all the people, and the Police will have to use a .50 Caliber rifle on them because normal bullets bounce off!

    8. All dogs need training and responsible handling. I was almost bitten today by a 40 lbs Irish Terrier while working the dog during her normal training. Guess I should ban them and say, “I will never train an Irish Terrier, they are dangerous!”

    9. I will go where I want, I will say what I want, and I will take WHATEVER dog I like with me. How about you stay away from me. I don’t trust dangerous small minded people.

  13. Jason Mann

    July 12, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Your comment, “If your a dog trainer than you are blinded by your feelings for these dogs or your just plain blind!”

    I am not blinded by my feelings. I base everything I do with any dog in PROVEN FACT. Of course my experience, learning from some of the best minds in dog behavior (Dr. Ian Dunbar for one) and working with people that have a combined 60 years of dog training/behavior experience doesn’t count for anything I guess.

    By the way, your breed is also on banned and restricted lists. Just thought I’d give you the heads up.

    http://www.povn.com/rdows/banned%20breeds.html

    Labradors are number 55.

  14. Brian

    July 12, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Tam,

    People that fear for their dogs and for themselves are only reacting to what they see in their neighborhoods and on the news. I see many pit bull attacks on the news and in my neighborhood. How am I to understand which ones attack and which ones dont. Your only 19 and you are going to get a pit bull? Are you in school? Do you also work? When are you going to have time to train, socialize and exersise your new pit bull? Please dont be one of these young girls that gives it a cute name and thinks its ready for the world. Pit Bulls need a strong leader, if your not going to be one them give the world a break and pick from the rest of the 210 AKC recognized other dogs.

  15. TAM

    July 14, 2008 at 3:13 am

    Brian, do I know you? Age is nothing but a number, I have seen quite a few ignorant biased adults in my life thank you very much. People who fear dogs do not know dogs, plain and simple. “How am I to understand which ones attack and which don’t?” that is the same reason why a blanket ban like you advocate is unconstitutional. You would punish innocent animals because of the actions of others? I never said I was going to get a pit I said at 13 there was a pit I wanted to rescue, so kindly re-read my post carefully before you address me. I go to school on a scholorship, I have a job and volunteer at a primate sanctuary. And that is why I do not have ANY dog right now. Frankly, you have shown your incompetence about pit bulls so why on earth would I ever take advice from you, are you a pit owner? do you know the challenges and joys of living with a pit bull everyday? I would go to a responsible pit owner to get my advice first. Lastly I do not know what kind of dog I am going to get later on in life, but I would love to be able to have a choice and a say in the matter as it is my right. I may very well choose from the other 210 AKC recognized dogs but thanks to your actions and others like you by the time I am ready most of them will be banned.

  16. Brian

    July 15, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    Tam,

    ALL dogs have been altered by man. Pit Bulls have been bred for bloodsports. That means they mated dogs with traits that would make them better at killing other dogs, over and over again until they ended up with the Pit Bull. Those that bred the Pit Bull were happy with the result that their breeding got them. They created an aggressive, strong dog that likes to fight and win. You cant have it both ways. The pit bull cant be the best and most vicious bull baiter and dog fighting dog and a great loving pet. A great loving pet is good with kids and other pets, a great pet doesnt kill the neighbors cats or small dogs, it doesnt maul kids or reqiure confinment. I blame the breed bc all breeds of dogs share certain characteristics with each other, if they didnt then whats the point of it all. Thats why the bird hunter can be confident getting a bird dog to help in his sport. If it wasnt going to be a good swimmer and good fetcher then what is the point of breeds? Every time a pit bull attacks, the owner gives the same bs story, :this is the first time this has happened”. she’s never shown aggression before. What the pit bull owner should reference is the golden rule of pit bull ownership, which is “NEVER trust your pit bull not to fight”. Pit Bull advocates always say that DA is SO different from HA. Ill say this, No way is my dog or my family hanging out with or being next to a dog that has or would kill a fellow dog or tear one apart for no reason at all. Dog aggression is normal to a certain level, that type of dog aggression is NOT normal. The true facts about DA and HA are that the presents of one type of aggression doesnt mean the other will be there or will be absant, so if you have a pit that is DA, it may also be HA and the only way to find out is when it strikes, NO THANKS!

  17. TAM

    July 15, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Brain, you sound more like you are trying to convince yourself.

    Thanks for changing the subject, your new rant addressed nothing that was in my post especially the part where you admitted that you can’t tell the difference between a viscious dog and a normal dog. If you admitted you cannot tell then you are in no position to argue with pit owners that their dogs should be banned. Instead of coming online and arguing with the responsible owners,who have done nothing wrong, go and do something about the irresponsible ones. And while you are at it you better get a head start on your labrador’s blog as they are affected by BSL too. It’s so sad because your dog deserves someone who will fight for it not someone who backs the very measure that could could destroy it. How stupid.

    To Jason I have a whole new respect for you. I really don’t know how you put up with it but I know there are alot of dog owners out there who are so very grateful you do.

    So thanks, from TAM & her furture dog.

  18. Brian

    July 16, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Labs are not in danger of being banned. The only place I ever heard that was here. Do a search on labs, try to find multiple attacks from labs. Where are labs banned, what cities? what states and what countries? Pit Bulls are banned in 17 countries and many U.S towns and states. Once again saying something like “labs are next” doesnt make it true, it only makes a BS stand for pit bull advocates. Tam, like many pit bull advocates is in denial about the nature of the pit bull, and in denial about breeding in general. Animal husbandry/breeding is a proven science, it does work. You can expect animals bred from the same blood line to share many characteristics such as looks, strength and temperment, Tam, age is not just a number but a scale on life experience, as you will eventually learn. The reason I or anyone cant tell whether a strange pit bull is vicious or not bc they often lash out unexpected, if I have never met a particular pit before how would I know whether its DA or HA or both? The experts say to expect DA in this breed. Even if a pit bull is only DA, what happeneds when a person gets inbetween a pit and its dog victim? Yes, your not suppose to get in the middle of a dog fight but is the owner of a victim supposed to let his or her dog die at the hand of someones pit bull while they watch? NO, noone would stand there while that happened, therefore people are in danger even if the dog is only DA. If your pit attacks my dog and wont let go and I get bit or attacked trying to help, then according to pit bull advocates I guess I deserved it. Nonsense! They should be and will be illegal someday, hopefully soon!

  19. Jason Mann

    July 16, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Breeding and genetics, while very important and having an impact on over all behavioral traits does NOT set a dogs temperament in stone. Nature vs. nuture is widely debated and even animal experts can not agree on the issue. While I do believe breeding does make some traits more available I also believe that handling (nuture) is just as important.

    Fearful traits, aggressive traits, can not be “fixed” with behavioral training but they can be managed and maintained in order to give a dog a better quality of life. I have said it many times and will say it again, a human aggressive Pit Bull Terrier should be put to sleep. It is not part of the breed standard (that is the American Pit Bull Terrier) and is undesirable.

    If your dog is off leash, and my dog is leashed, and your dog runs up on mine and my dog attacks, who’s at fault? Not me or my dog. That is for sure.

    If I take my dog to an off leash dog park and your dog runs up on mine and my attacks it, and I know my dog is not good with other dogs, then yes, it is my fault. But what if my dog was a Golden Retriever? Would you be all up in arms calling for a ban then? Nope.

    What if I brought a Yorkie to a small dog park and your kid bent over to pet her and she bit your child? Call for a ban? Hardly.

    What if my friendly Labrador jumped on you son, knocking him down and breaking his arm? Call for a ban? Again, I hardly think you would.

    Your biased, ignorant point is futile. I will ALWAYS have American Pit Bull Terriers in my home, in my yard, by my side. Regardless of what you or anyone says. I will fight tooth and nail my friend to get these laws over turned and legislators who think like you voted out of office.

    They will never be totally illegal and frankly if they are it won’t be long before all dogs are. Sad. Truly sad that you are that stupid.

    Did you know that there are over 75 breeds of dogs either banned or restricted here in the US?

    Here is a list
    http://www.dogpolitics.com/my_weblog/2007/05/list_of_banned_.html

    Oh, and why breed bans suck and why you are stupid to want them:
    http://wagthedog.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2007/9/25/3253427.html

    Think it’s just the Pit Bull? Silly.

    Jason

  20. Brian

    July 16, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Iv seen this story bc this is one of the very few stories you can find about labs in this sort of trouble. This story was a case of mistaken identity, they thought it was a pit bull, more reason to get rid of them, then noone will think anything is a pit bull, bc there wont be pit bulls.

    I posted about 6 pit bull attacks that happened this month (posted mid month) after doing a quick google search. There were many more but I stopped at around 6. Find me 6 lab attacks this month, or this year, or ever. We better hurry and ban those dangerous, fetching, swimming, loving dogs before its too late. Are you sure your a dog trainer? My dog trainer wants me to continue with training, maybe go for agility training bc my dog is so obediant, athletic and simply nice. Out of all the dogs in his original class, he was by far the top. I put alot of time into training him and he is a lab which are very receptive to training. You say pits are used as therapy dogs, Iv never heard of that, it may be true but not as much as the lab pal. They are everywhere, seeing eye dogs, avalanch dogs, therapy dogs, you name it. Lake Tahoe has 17 ski areas around it. All of them use goldens and labs as thier avalanch dogs. Everytime I see someone that is raising a dog for a similar use its a lab or a golden. The pro golden or lab web-sites dont get into restrictions or safety bc its not vital for those breeds. They just talk about how great the breeds are. Typically an untrained lab or golden is a licking and greeting menace if anything. That could be annoying but not dangerous.

  21. Brian

    July 16, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Jason said

    What if I brought a Yorkie to a small dog park and your kid bent over to pet her and she bit your child? Call for a ban? Hardly.

    What if my friendly Labrador jumped on you son, knocking him down and breaking his arm? Call for a ban? Again, I hardly think you would.

    No, I wouldnt call for a ban after those things happened. A yorkies bite is not a big deal and prob would be just that one bite. A golden knocking a kid over is an accident, can happen to any big dog. The issue is when a dog attacks to maim or kill a pet or person. Few dogs do that. You as a dog trainer should know that most dogs are are full of piss and wind, meaning their bark really is much worst than their bite, but not with pit bulls. They back up their bark with real vicious force when they decide to. I keep my dog on-leash in public areas, he goes off leash only on hikes, swimming or at these un-official dog parks I go to. When I say responsible pit owners are a figment of imagination, Im not trying to start trouble, but after meeting many pits and their owners, I really have yet to meet one. All the pit owners that Iv met are in denial about pits and dog aggression, they seem to think that its normal for a dog to want to kill or permantly hurt another dog.

  22. TAM

    July 16, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Age cannot be used as a measure of life experience. You don’t know what I have been through or seen in this short life of mine and likewise. For you to automatically assume you have more life experience than me because you are older is stupid. A 14 yr old who has had to go out and get a job to support their family has had more life experience than a 21 yr old now getting a job for the first time.
    Think before you speak, simple concept.

    Pits do not lash out unexpectedly you just don’t know what to look for and that goes with most dogs. Usually there are warning signs that people miss or just ignore. They don’t recognize the problem until it is too late. Once again that would be the owners fault, not the dogs. They key to fixing that problem is EDUCATION not ANNIHILATION.

    If you are debating that there is something inheritantly wrong with pit bulls it would make sense to consult with canine geneticists and behaviorists wouldn’t it? For example go to the AVMA, (The American Veterinary Medical Association) website and see what they say about BSL and no offense Brain but I think they are more of an authority on the subject than you are. In fact if you go to most authorities on canine behavior they would probably tell you exactly what Jason has been telling you all along. However you rather go along with what you read in the paper than listen to the experts. Or you rather use the actions of a small percentage of dogs and attribute their behavior to the rest of the population, seems a tad foolish. Frankly Brian until I see some documentation of your dog training license most of what you say just boils down to an angry sad rant.

    This is the last time I will responding to you Brian, you come on and say the same thing over and over and you are just wasting everyones time, including your own. I love reading this blog but lately it has become such a drag. Do something proactive go start your own blog or something and leave the reponsible owners alone. Do you really think you are doing anything by leaving angry pit comments on a pit lovers blog? It doesn’t even make sense.

  23. Jason Mann

    July 16, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Brian – “Few dogs do that. You as a dog trainer should know that most dogs are are full of piss and wind, meaning their bark really is much worst than their bite, but not with pit bulls. They back up their bark with a real vicious force when they decide to.”

    Really Brian. Funny, I have never, not one time, had a Pit Bull try to bite me. I have had a lot of other dogs try. From German Shepherds to Irish Terriers, but not a single Pit Bull. Also, how many of these so called attacks have you seen? I mean you should see them daily since you live in an area with a lot of Pit Bulls and irresponsible owners right? If they are, in fact, prone to aggressive behavior as you are stating.

    As a professional dog trainer, who, by the way, works with aggressive and fearful dogs quite often, I have had ONE Pit Bull client in my behavior modification (fear related) and I have not been bitten and the dog did not act aggressively towards me.

    I work dogs most people won’t. I put my hands on dogs that WILL bite you and they have proven it time and time again. Not a Pit Bull in the bunch. I mean, wait, if they are soooo vicious why wouldn’t I have had more than one as client in my behavior program?

    Finally, and this really is the last time I’m going to humor you…

    You say you have never met a responsible Pit Bull owner, you say that Pit Bulls back up their bark with real vicious force, you say you have met “many pits” and yet, here you are, I have not heard you say, “I have been repeatedly attacked by all the Pit Bulls in my area” nor have I heard you even mention a dog trying to attack your dog.

    If what you are saying is true, then why is it, you and your dog have not been harmed? Wait, let me guess, you stay away from these people and their dogs, no, you said you have “met many” of them. So that means, wait, yes, You are full of it. Plain and simple.

    I have met a lot of dogs full of piss and wind. That doesn’t mean they won’t bite you if you push.

    Learn more about dog behavior, spend your time working with real Pit Bull Terriers, stop whining, report irresponsible dog owners, and realize that everything you have said here (A) shows why we should keep doing what we are doing in regards to fighting BSL and anti-dog laws and (B) the exact reason these stupid laws are passed. Dog owners, like you Brian, ignorant and fearful think they help. They don’t. They kill dogs, hurt people, and cause so much more drama than needed.

    Just ask your fellow lab owner who’s dog was snatched in Ontario for being a “pit bull.” Bet she would disagree with you. Matter of fact, most logical dog owners would disagree with you. Notice I said DOG OWNERS and not Pit Bull owners.

    If BSL is the answer, and is soooo smart, why does the American Dog Owners Association stand up against it? Why do the AKC, UKC, ADBA, CKC, and many other registries stand up against it?

    Because despite breed, BSL is WRONG AND UNJUST.

    Jason M.

  24. SHARRON

    July 19, 2008 at 3:54 am

    Brian, I am curious to know why you have such hatred and disdain for the APBT ? Have you ever met one ? Probably not.

    Your lack of “understanding” doesn’t surprise me a bit.Why ? Because people like you who base their arguments on what they hear, see on t.v. or read in the newspaper, then choose to believe all media hype truly are brain-washed !! When you must rely on others to tell you “how to think” about any situation you are a puppet without strings. Going about spreading myths and untruths without hearing the the ‘facts’ by someone who has been around the pit bull since childhood….is a professional trainer and most importantly, has pit bulls inthe home as family members…you are then more than biased and there is no

  25. BSLisSTUPID

    July 20, 2008 at 12:29 am

    I am not responding to Brian, however if other people have any doubts about whether Labradors have injured or killed people I suggest you go to http://www.understand-a-bull.com. There has been MORE than 7 attacks by labrdors since the beginning of the year. Please don’t just jump on the pit hate bandwagon. Research it for yourself.

  26. Brian

    July 25, 2008 at 9:49 am

    Have I ever seen a pit bull? Are you retarted? I have hatred for the pit bull simply bc they are dangerous and I have a non aggressive dog that I am responsible for and do not want to see him get hurt or killed for no reason other than some jackass thought it was ok to take his big mean pit to the park. My dog was attacked by a pit bull, my friends lopso-obso was attacked and lost an eye from a pit bull. I dont like them bc I know that breeding works and Iv seen many pit bulls in action. Iv known pit bulls that were nice to people. Those same pits killed a local cat and got my friend kicked out of his apt bc the dogs scared everyone that lived there, they must all be ignorant for being scared, right. According to pit bull advocates only an ignorant fool would be scared of a 70 pound animal, bred to kill and has.

    As far as the lab bites, you just proved my point. 7 bites in a year, some minor some more severe. Forget about this year, look up pit bull attacks this month and you will find triple that number or more, with much more severe results. But I guess those reports are “HYPED” and the ones on your pit bull web site are completely accurate, right. Pit Bull advocates are view thier dogs through rose colored glasses, take them off and you will understand what everyone else sees, which is a dangerous unpredictable dog, bred to kill and does so. Someone on one of these blogs was unhappy about how people treated her while walking her pit bull in public, people crossing the street to get away or picking up their kids for safety. When I walk my dog down the street, everyones faces light up, he brings out the best in people, most dont even bother to ask it hes friendly or if they can pet him bc they can tell as soon as they see him. The PIt Bull is a dangerous, walking Insurance nightmare.

  27. gvg

    July 28, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    One thing I have noticed is that Pit Bulls are very driven dogs. Regardless of what you believe in, I still see them requiring a very strong hand, one which I do not see enough pit bull owners exercising. Many seem to think that abuse is the only thing that makes dogs bite, and kindness is enough. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Nurture can only work to the extent that you go along with nature, not completely against it; ask anyone who trains dogs for a purpose, such as herding or police work. Breeds are certainly hard-wired for certain things. Why else can’t you see Beagles as protection dogs? Have you tried getting a bunch of poodles to fight? You could, but I bet you it wouldn’t look as nasty as a fight between dog-fighting breeds.

    I don’t see Pit Bulls as inherently aggressive…certainly not ‘defensive’ dogs who snap and bite ala Yorkies or Chihuahuas. When in a good mood, Pit Bulls are very nice dogs with a typical bulldog temperament…happy, licky, dowhatyoupleasetome dogs. The question is, can you as a Pit Bull owner control your dog otherwise? Many Pit Bull attacks I see follow a pattern…the dog’s prey drive is triggered by something, a screaming or running child, high-pitched voices. Most dogs react accordingly: a Pit Bull seem to go into a red zone, and not even bodily harm could stop them. This makes sense if you consider their heritage: they ARE terriers, and tenacity is almost synonymous with terrier. The problem is increased by the fact that Pit Bulls, for their size, are *very* strong…very strong jaw muscles, which then leads to the tragedies which I hope no Pit Bull owner goes unaware of.

    As far as I’m concerned, keep Pit Bulls if you want, but don’t do it irresponsibly. Just because you’re not a dog fighter or abuser and you love your dogs doesn’t mean you’re not guilty of this. I see Pit Bull owners who let their dogs run loose with strange dogs, DESPITE the breed’s tendencies to be dog-aggressive (most dogs shouldn’t really be going around strange dogs, anyway. It’s not natural behaviour and most of the play you see in dog parks is done for the purpose of establishing dominance). Perhaps your dog never starts a fight, but if another dog does, and your Pit fights back, can you honestly stop your Pit from inflicting the damage his breed is known to give? This runs along the same vein as sighthound people who let their dogs run off-leash in an unfenced, open area close to a highway…considering your breed, that’s really just asking for it. I see Pit Bull owners blatantly disregarding muzzle laws if they exist in that area…yes, it might be unfair if your breed is singled out, but the law is the law and the more you disobey it, the worse off you look especially if breed advocacy is your goal. I see Pit Bull owners LEAVE their child with their dog, because theirs is a good dog and would never harm it. This really goes for all dog owners, but particularly if your breed is under as much fire as this one, then shouldn’t you try extra hard to prevent disasters *rather* than simply closing your ears, going LA LA LA, and saying the rules don’t apply to you and your dogs?

    A lot of Pit Bull owners I find have turned to the defensive, and thus extreme end of things…they play the pity game, oh woe is my breed, instead of looking at the *facts* and understanding that there IS a Pit Bull crisis out there. It may not be what the media hypes it out to be, but the fact that it’s out there in the first place means you have to be extra vigilant. Trust me, it’s not because Pit Bulls ‘look’ scary and people immediately blame them and so you hear more about attacks than any other breed. Pit Bulls look scary because of news reports, and not the other way around; to me frankly they just look like ordinary dogs, the kind you might find in a dumpster in a third world country. Why is there so much hysteria concerning them? Consider everything before you make a judgement, and control your dogs before the government decides to do it for you.

  28. Amanda

    August 4, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Brian, you say that pit bulls were bred for bloodsports. Okay, but so were bulldogs. Rhodesian Ridgebacks were bred to kill lions, maybe we should be scared of them, Mastiffs, Great Danes, Bullmastiffs, Rottweilers were all bred to guard their owners and their property. Lets be scared of them too. Westies, Scotties, Cairn Terriers, Jack Russells, basically all terriers were bred to chase down and kill vermin. I’m gonna avoid them from now on too. Foxhounds were bred to hunt in packs. I’m going to start telling people that have foxhounds that they are crazy, that their dogs are going to work as a pack to hunt children on the street. Greyhounds, Salukis and Whippets are sight hounds, bred to chase down prey and kill it. Better start writing to the Greyhound rescues and tell them they should just put the dogs down instead. Borzois were bred to hunt wolves. Honestly, if you want to get that into it, we should just completely eradicate all breeds of dog because they all came from the wolf, and wolves are quite dangerous. Maybe you should watch out for your lab, he might just have a little bit of that killer instinct leftover from his wolf ancestors. Or maybe from his Newfoundland ancestors, because in case I’m mistaken, newfies came from mastiffs, and mastiffs were used as guard dogs. Maybe one of your lab’s ancestors was specifically trained to attack people who entered the property he was told to guard.
    Sorry for that little rambling, but I just wanted to point out that all breeds of dog were used at some point for killing or attack. Breeds that weren’t, such as the Labrador, still came from the Wolf, which, some people could say, makes the Labrador Retriever dangerous as well. Maybe we should all just get cats instead. You never see anything on TV about cats atacking people or other cats, right Brian? I’m actually going to go to the shelter right now and trade my 2 wonderful APBTs in right now for 2 cats, then I won’t have to stay up every night worrying that my “gangsta dogs” will some how escape from my bedroom, unlock the front door, run outside and go on a mission to kill and maim as many people and dogs as possible before the police come and have to use bazookas to take them down, but not before my amazing killer dogs take out 3-4 of the officers.
    Thanks for enlightening me to the dangers of my dogs (P.S. – Right now, my 63 lb make APBT and my roommate’s 6lb male Chihuauha are snuggling together in the dog bed while my other 46lb female pit is playing chase with my friend’s great dane/pit bull mix)

  29. Brian

    August 14, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    All those dogs you mentioned were not bred to fight fellow dogs to the death nor are those other dogs responsable for continuos attacking, maining and killing other dogs, cats, animals and people. There has NEVER been a reported case of an unprovoked wolf attack on people EVER! The reason people throughout history hated wolves was bc they hunted cattle and other livestock. The wolf is no where near as dangerous as a pit bull. Look up wolf mixes, they dont come close to the amount of pit bull attacks. I dont care how nice YOUR pit is nor do I belive you. Many families with mauled dead kids said the same thing about thier pit bull.

    International Kennel clubs generally describe the newfoundland as having a sweet temperament.[3][4][2] They are often referred to as the “gentle giant.” They have deep barks, are easy to train, are fine guardians and watchdogs, and are extremely good with children.

    Labradors are a well-balanced, friendly and versatile breed, adaptable to a wide range of functions as well as making very good pets. As a rule they are not excessively prone to being territorial, pining, insecure, aggressive, destructive, hypersensitive, or other difficult traits which sometimes manifest in a variety of breeds, and as the name suggests, they are excellent retrievers. As an extension of this, they instinctively enjoy holding objects and even hands or arms in their mouths, which they can do with great gentleness (a Labrador can carry an egg in its mouth without breaking it).[24] They are also known to have a very soft feel to the mouth, as a result of being bred to retrieve game such as waterfowl

    The Pit Bull has positive and negative traits in their temperament. Their breed history has led to a dog unlike any other in the history of purebred dogs. What can you expect from an APBT? First and foremost, memorize the following: THE GOLDEN RULE OF PIT BULL OWNERSHIP- NEVER TRUST YOUR PIT BULL NOT TO FIGHT!!!!! This breed is descended from pit dogs one way or another, and, given the right circumstances, most Pit Bulls will fight and against any other breed, they will win (you really don’t want to see that!). Scared yet? You should be. Remember, as the owner of a Pit Bull everything you or your dog do will affect all members of the breed and their families. Pit Bull owners have to be extra vigilant 24/7, period. You need to be receptive, have strong leadership, and be able to read canine body language to recognize signs of tension between housemates. You need to be prepared to separate the dogs if tensions develop. You need to know when your dog may become aggressive and you need to have control of your dog under any circumstances.

    Lab and newfoundland shouldnt be allowed in the same sentince as Pit Bull

    See the difference, wake up!

  30. AN

    August 29, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    BRIAN

    you say that Jason is biased because of his affiliation/experience that he has with pit bulls and yet you post that your dog and others youve known or heard about have been “attacked” by pit bulls?? If Jason is bias don’t you think it would be in your best interest to look in the mirror and admit to yourself (not to us) that you are too? You are a little hypocrite. And
    Your attitude is disgusting.
    I WAS just severely attacked ON THE MOUTH AND LIPS 4 weeks ago by a male LAB!!!!!! –you are in denial. It is difficult to have any level of tolerance for people like you.

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